Questions Without Notice

[PJs Ronin]

1. Tournies. We still need to differentiate between 9 and 10 seat tournies. There are some exceptions, but I believe most of the 10 seat tournies are DoN or 5050 style, whereas 9 seat are the more conventional STT/MTT tournies. Each has it's own stat requirement/parameters, are not interchangeable and have different seat layouts.

2. Tournies. Select "Edit Tournament Results" I get a popup notice that says (say) "Auto Detect is suggested for 21 tournaments. 'OK' to select these tournaments, 'Skip' to ignore." Selecting 'OK' does nothing. If I select the "Only tournaments needing results" option (to try and correct the above identified 21 tournies), no tournies are listed. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

3. Replayer. How does PT4 know which HUD profile to use in the replayer? What influence would the 'Make active profile default for table type.' option have? I ask because I really don't want to screw around with (tourney) profiles that have taken me some time to bed down. In your response, please take into account that I play cash/tourney/LHE/NLHE/PLO /POL8 and would like to have the right profile come up as soon as the replayer hand comes up.

[StevenM]

PJ:

1) Unfortunately we do not have the ability to differentiate between 9 and 10 handed tournies the way you wish we did. This is not on our agenda for PT4 development yet, but it is on our radar though and it remains a topic we will continue to follow in the future. Our plans for 9/10 handed cannot change at this time, I'm afraid I cannot go into why this is the case - but if you trust that we are aware of this issue and it is something we will someday look at, then I would greatly appreciate it.

2) The Tournament Detection user interface is not complete yet, we have changes pending. We are aware of the disconnect in logic, that is only temporary. In the meantime you should select all of the tournaments (click the first tournament, hold down shit, click the last tournament), click Auto Detect, then enable the top two checkboxes while disabling the bottom checkbox. Run Autodetect... this (temporarily) severs multiple purposes including populating table type, determining missing prize and place information when possible, and also calculates All-In Equity Adjusted results for tournaments which are already stored in the database.

3) Click HUD - > Edit HUD Options. Change the site to PokerTracker Hand Replayer, then fill in any other option you want. Click Add, then OK. For now on the HUD profile will be remembered when you open the Hand Replayer. If you select Select Make Active Profile Default for Table Tyoe from the Replayer HUD menu, then the fileds shown above in the Edit HUD Options window will be automatically populated for you.

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Let me know if you have any further questions!

[PJs Ronin]

PJ:

1) Unfortunately we do not have the ability to differentiate between 9 and 10 handed tournies the way you wish we did. This is not on our agenda ...

IIRC, PT3 could differentiate between 9 and 10 seat tournies. I'll do some testing over the next day or two to confirm. Either way, this is something I continually bring up as I have been pushing for better tourney support for the better part of three years. I have been told on more than one occasion "hang in there, big things are coming (re PT4)" and to have functionality go backwards is disappointing, to say the least. I fully appreciate that you and the team recognize these tourney deficiencies (perhaps more than I do) but I have no evidence to suggest that things will improve. It has nothing to do with trust and everything to do with being realistic. Cash games are the buzz and that's where development effort will focus.

2) The Tournament Detection user interface is not complete yet, we have changes pending. We are aware of the disconnect in logic, that is only temporary....

Don't get me wrong, at least the PT crew can spell 'tournament' which is a great deal more than what your competitor can do. Anyway, I'm glad that you recognize the disconnect here and that changes are afoot. I was thinking that I was not understanding the system properly, hence my post.

3) Click HUD - > Edit HUD Options. Change the site to PokerTracker Hand Replayer, then fill in any other option you want. Click Add, then OK. For now on the HUD profile will be remembered when you open the Hand Replayer. If you select Select Make Active Profile Default for Table Tyoe from the Replayer HUD menu, then the fileds shown above in the Edit HUD Options window will be automatically populated for you.

TBH, I think you folks have a better understanding of HUD profiles and the 'Default type" option that we do. For instance, if something can be made 'default' from within the playing surface, then I feel there needs to be an option to un-default a profile just in case I got it wrong. Although, there is nowhere in PT4 where I can find which are the 'default' profiles. Like I said, I think my understanding of how the HUD profile selection criteria works is poor. Nonetheless, your response helped me... a little :)

Regards

[StevenM]

PJ:

1) Unfortunately we do not have the ability to differentiate between 9 and 10 handed tournies the way you wish we did. This is not on our agenda ...

IIRC, PT3 could differentiate between 9 and 10 seat tournies. I'll do some testing over the next day or two to confirm. Either way, this is something I continually bring up as I have been pushing for better tourney support for the better part of three years. I have been told on more than one occasion "hang in there, big things are coming (re PT4)" and to have functionality go backwards is disappointing, to say the least. I fully appreciate that you and the team recognize these tourney deficiencies (perhaps more than I do) but I have no evidence to suggest that things will improve. It has nothing to do with trust and everything to do with being realistic. Cash games are the buzz and that's where development effort will focus.

We have the same issue in PT3. Incorporating this change would take months of work, it need is not strong enough to justify the labor required because there are much bigger issues we need to solve for tournament users first. 9 and 10 handed are both full ring games, which is why this is far to big a project for such a small reward at this stage of PT4's development. Who knows... maybe after PT4 is released we can revisit this topic, as I said before it is on our radar for sure.

#3 will be more self evident once we have the video for this feature released. Creating this content takes time, sorry about that!

- TT

[PJs Ronin]

PJ:

1) Unfortunately we do not have the ability to differentiate between 9 and 10 handed tournies the way you wish we did. This is not on our agenda ...

IIRC, PT3 could differentiate between 9 and 10 seat tournies. I'll do some testing over the next day or two to confirm. Either way, this is something I continually bring up as I have been pushing for better tourney support for the better part of three years. I have been told on more than one occasion "hang in there, big things are coming (re PT4)" and to have functionality go backwards is disappointing, to say the least. I fully appreciate that you and the team recognize these tourney deficiencies (perhaps more than I do) but I have no evidence to suggest that things will improve. It has nothing to do with trust and everything to do with being realistic. Cash games are the buzz and that's where development effort will focus.

We have the same issue in PT3....

- TT

After this conversation yesterday (my time) I fired up PT3 and started a Pokerstars 5050 (10 seat) and a Pokerstars STT (9 seat). I dug out my old 'Tourney - 5050' HUD profile, attached it to the 5050 game and set it as default for this table type. I then attached my 'Tourney - NLHE' HUD profile (a 9 seat profile with different stats and elements) to the STT table and set it as default for this table type.

I then became involved with a good steak and a half bottle of a very precocious red wine b4 retiring for the night.

This morning I started PT3 and loaded a Pokerstars 5050 and an STT and waited to see which profiles would load. The 'Tourney - 5050' auto attached to the 5050 table and the 'Tourney - NLHE' auto attached to the STT.

This 9/10 seat tourney issue is specific to PT4, not PT3, and is thus a reduction in functionality. However, like I said I'm a realist and understand the work that may be involved in correcting this problem so I have adopted a new mantra "I love cash games, I love cash games, I love..."

Edit: One final thing on this. Occasionally I get the option to "treat a profile as 9 seat, 8 seat etc" What causes this option to become available?

[StevenM]

After this conversation yesterday (my time) I fired up PT3 and started a Pokerstars 5050 (10 seat) and a Pokerstars STT (9 seat). I dug out my old 'Tourney - 5050' HUD profile, attached it to the 5050 game and set it as default for this table type. I then attached my 'Tourney - NLHE' HUD profile (a 9 seat profile with different stats and elements) to the STT table and set it as default for this table type.

I then became involved with a good steak and a half bottle of a very precocious red wine b4 retiring for the night.

"official" support advice: Never drink only 1/2 the bottle if it is very precious. I proudly drank a bottle of '66 Chateau Brion this past weekend (oldest vintage I have ever had), we left no soldiers behind, it was too precious. I can relate.

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Your description was very helpful, it made me realize the issue is not 9/10 handed tables for you... you just have a misunderstanding of how to assign HUD profile defaults. We can fix that! Post to follow....

[PJs Ronin]

I proudly drank a bottle of '66 Chateau Brion this past weekend (oldest vintage I have ever had), we left no soldiers behind, it was too precious. I can relate.

The devil you say !!!!!!!

However, my little red was precocious, not precious.

[StevenM]

I proudly drank a bottle of '66 Chateau Brion this past weekend (oldest vintage I have ever had), we left no soldiers behind, it was too precious. I can relate.

The devil you say !!!!!!!

However, my little red was precocious, not precious.

I think the joke was lost in translation.

I ran out of time todat, but I will email one of my co-workers to have them respond to this post for you.

[PJs Ronin]

In preparation for a post describing how I'm going insane, this morning I started PT4 and Pokerstars and entered an STT. I set the HUD profile 'Tournament - NLHE' to the table and then set that as the default profile for that table type. I then started a 5050 STT and assigned the profile 'Tournament - NLHE - 5050' to that table. I then set that profile as default for that table type. I killed those tables and then entered a new STT and a new 5050 STT and waited for the HUDs to appear.

This is exactly the same procedure I used yesterday with PT3.

The 5050 table just happened to start first and sure enough the HUD profile that auto-loaded was 'Tournament - NLHE - 5050'... wonderful. The STT game then started and a hud profile soon attached, it was 'Tournament- NLHE - 5050'... fail!

Under PT3 different profiles are possible and load correctly. Under PT4 they do not.

Happy to hear an explanation how I got this wrong.

[kraada]

Let me clarify what is going on behind the scenes - especially in PT3. I think that will help you see what is happening.

In PT3 profile types are saved based on site, cash or tournament, and number of seats and these are always fully specified. So when you are saving your profile in PT3 for these 5050s you are saving a 10 seat profile for your site for tournaments - it would actually apply to any tournament with 10 seat tables at that site. It just so happens that the ones you play that are 10 seats are 5050s. Then you save a STT profile for a tournament with 9 seats. The number of seats are different so you end up getting the behavior you wanted.

In PT4 profile types are saved based on site, game (holdem, omaha, omaha/8), limit (NL, PL, FL), and number of seats (full ring, short handed, heads up). The PT4 system actually has more flexibility since we distinguish the differences between Game and Limit - which PT3 did not.

The reason you're having the behavior you do is that the Seats options in PT4 are less fine grained than they were in PT3. PT3 never detected that 5050s were a different tournament, it was just that it could tell one was a 9 seated table and one was a 10 seated table. If they had been both 9 seated tournament types there would have been no difference in PT3 either. In PT3 you couldn't even specify a different profile for Omaha if you played both Holdem and Omaha.

I hope that clarifies what is going on here for you.